{"id":7967,"date":"2014-12-12T18:09:50","date_gmt":"2014-12-13T02:09:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/franklycurious.com\/wp\/?p=7967"},"modified":"2014-12-12T18:09:50","modified_gmt":"2014-12-13T02:09:50","slug":"two-more-things-about-torture-report","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/franklycurious.com\/wp\/2014\/12\/12\/two-more-things-about-torture-report\/","title":{"rendered":"Two More Things About Torture Report"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/franklycurious.com\/wp\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/12\/StopTorture.jpg\" width=\"150\" height=\"200\" alt=\"Stop Torture - Funny enough, cropped from image at US Embassy Website\" title=\"Stop Torture - Funny enough, cropped from image at US Embassy Website\" style=\"float: left; margin-right: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; border: 0px;\" \/>I&#8217;ve seen two more things about the torture report that really should be read. The first is from Jonathan Chait, <a href=\"http:\/\/nymag.com\/daily\/intelligencer\/2014\/12\/torture-party-republicans.html\">The Torture Party: Why Republicans Defend the Most Sadistic Government Program in Recent History.<\/a> It&#8217;s a longish article, that will be in the upcoming issue of <i>New York Magazine<\/i>. It makes a number of good points. For example, all the torture apologias up until now have used the same now discredited claim, &#8220;We waterboarded in the CIA &#8212; the CIA waterboarded three terrorists. Just three.&#8221; Of course, we pretty much knew that wasn&#8217;t true <a href=\"http:\/\/www.propublica.org\/article\/the-bush-administrations-oft-repeated-and-now-challenged-waterboarding-clai\">two years ago<\/a>. But now we know that wasn&#8217;t true and that the CIA did much worse.<\/p>\n<p>This leads us to the horrifyingly amusing spectacle of Ted Cruz claiming that torture is terrible but &#8220;after six years, enough with saying &#8216;everything is George W Bush&#8217;s fault.'&#8221; Because the torture report is really just the administration&#8217;s effort to blame everything on Bush. And we know this because (1) the White House did not want to release the report; and (2) the report is really a whitewash as far as Bush and company are concerned &#8212; it puts all the blame on the CIA, where it most definitely does not all belong. Chait noted, &#8220;To Cruz and other Republicans still in office, the allegation that the Bush administration used torture had gone from outrageous smear to tired news without ever having passed through the stage of acceptable topic of discussion.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Chait also pointed to Dick Cheney on <i>Fox News<\/i>, who finally said what he really thinks, &#8220;What are we supposed to do? Kiss him on both cheeks and say &#8216;Please, please, tell us what you know&#8217;? Of course not. We did exactly what needed to be done in order to catch those who were guilty on 9\/11 and prevent a further attack, and we were successful on both parts.&#8221; In addition to being morally bankrupt, people like Cheney will never accept that (1) torture is not effective; (2) we tortured a whole lot of innocent people; and (3) there are huge opportunity costs associated with what we did. Chait ended with a summation that I&#8217;m afraid applies to a whole lot more people than just Dick Cheney:<\/p>\n<div class=\"box\">Here, finally, was the brutal moral logic of Cheneyism on bright display. The insistence by his fellow partisans on averting their eyes from the horrible truth at least grows out of a human reaction. Cheney does not even understand why somebody would look away. His soul is a cold, black void.<\/div>\n<h3>Ron Wyden<\/h3>\n<p>After the report was released, a group of ex-CIA heads wrote an OpEd in <i>The Wall Street Journal<\/i>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/cia-interrogations-saved-lives-1418142644\">Interrogations Saved Lives<\/a>. I think there is a special kind of logic here that they would never admit to, &#8220;Our interrogations must have saved lives! If they didn&#8217;t, then we would have to admit to being monsters!&#8221; But you know what I say, &#8220;If the rectal tubing fits, it doesn&#8217;t matter how nice a suit you wear, you are a monster.&#8221; But I digress.<\/p>\n<p>Senator Ron Wyden saw the OpEd and he wasn&#8217;t pleased. So he put together the following annotated version of it. You will have to click on the full-screen button to read it. But it is very much worth the effort!<\/p>\n<p  style=\" margin: 12px auto 6px auto; font-family: Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 14px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; -x-system-font: none; display: block;\">   <a title=\"View Wyden Torture Rebuttal on Scribd\" href=\"http:\/\/www.scribd.com\/doc\/249963726\"  style=\"text-decoration: underline;\" >Wyden Torture Rebuttal<\/a><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"scribd_iframe_embed\" src=\"https:\/\/www.scribd.com\/embeds\/249963726\/content?start_page=1&#038;view_mode=scroll&#038;show_recommendations=true\" data-auto-height=\"false\" data-aspect-ratio=\"undefined\" scrolling=\"no\" id=\"doc_30097\" width=\"100%\" height=\"600\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>What bugs me about all of this is the sense I have that the American media is so done with this torture report. To me, this is extremely deep. Even at the time, I was greatly disturbed. When I was young, I was a true believer in America. I believed everything I was taught. And one of the things that I was taught was that we don&#8217;t torture. That was a big difference between &#8220;us&#8221; and &#8220;them.&#8221; But the moment it became convenient, we tortured. It seems as though many people had just been <i>waiting<\/i> for the chance. When Walter Johnson&#8217;s fast ball started to slow, he retired. He didn&#8217;t turn into Ty Cobb. I guess it is different for nations. The error was mine: to ever think that we were better than others. So maybe Dick Cheney and company did me a great favor. The sad thing is, they can torture and still think that we are better.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><i>H\/T: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vox.com\/2014\/12\/12\/7382087\/torture-wyden\">Zack Beauchamp<\/a><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve seen two more things about the torture report that really should be read. The first is from Jonathan Chait, The Torture Party: Why Republicans Defend the Most Sadistic Government Program in Recent History. It&#8217;s a longish article, that will &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/franklycurious.com\/wp\/2014\/12\/12\/two-more-things-about-torture-report\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-7967","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v28.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Two More Things About Torture Report at Frankly Curious<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/franklycurious.com\/wp\/2014\/12\/12\/two-more-things-about-torture-report\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Two More Things About Torture Report at Frankly Curious\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"I&#8217;ve seen two more things about the torture report that really should be read. 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